"And then my husband got laid off from Lockheed so many times, and he was in the Air National Guard, so they had an opening there, so he joined the Air National Guard, and then he retired from there.
He traveled a lot when he was at Dobbins, because, you know, they would have to go-- especially when there was bad weather, they needed to go somewhere, but it was nice knowing that he wasn't going to get laid off. He had a permanent position there. So-- And he went in as a Staff Sargeant and came out as a Senior Master Sargeant. So he worked very well."