"Listen, two of my brothers were, I guess people would call them tramps. They got on trains, and they would catch a train and they were not riding in a regular seat. They were riding probably in the boxcar and went all over the country. One of them went to California. I remember when he was saying he went and picked fruit out in California but they would go and then they would come home for a while and then they'd go off again and just try to find work, whatever work they could get to make a living."