"But now as far as the attitude, I went into the Army at age 20. And I -- I guess I have been familiar with the number of forms of discrimination that blacks were subjected to. I've lived all of my life in the south. I was born in Johnson City,…

"And then my husband got laid off from Lockheed so many times, and he was in the Air National Guard, so they had an opening there, so he joined the Air National Guard, and then he retired from there. He traveled a lot when he was at…

"We lived there for a year and then moved up here. My husband got a job with Lockheed. He was a flight line mechanic. [Marietta was beautiful.] It was quiet. No traffic hardly. The Big Chicken was there, and it was a Chick, Chuck, and Shake…

"He was from a tobacco farm, so I thought that would be like a regular English farm which is very green, and very pretty, with horses and the whole bit, and I saw my first mule at his house. I'd never seen a mule in my life. It was just so…

"I [worked as a nurse] for a while, at Piedmont Hospital, and then I had Erik. It was a little hard being a nurse and caring for a baby, if you want to do it the 'real' way, you know, close nursing and being there yourself, so I…

"Well, you know, we grew up watching Dallas. We think everybody’s rich and thin. And then you come to America and you’re going 'Oh. Oh. Okay. Huh.' But my first impression was like Snow White. I flew Eastern from New York to…

"Well, we collected a lot of material (at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in DC). My wife,(Claire) I’ve gotta give her thanks for putting it all together. You’ve seen the books that I’ve collected that she put together, and you…

"They moved to New York from Columbus, Georgia, during the Civil War, or as they call it here, the War of Northern Aggression. They came to New York in 1865. My great-grandfather had been captured by the Yankees and removed from the scene. My…

"My mother was actually an American citizen, but she was born in France, because my grandfather—her father—was named Alfred Rothschild. He was born in Columbus, Georgia, not too far from here. And the house that he was born in still remains…

"We had two children in Germany. One of them became an attorney. She did her undergraduate work in Florida and then came up to UGA in Athens. And she used to come to Atlanta quite a bit, and she said that she was going to settle here. …