"We came on Saturday, and my girlfriend from the U of D [University of Detroit] went with me, and we both got assigned to work on Saturday from six to twelve, or maybe it was seven to eleven, I don’t remember, but anyway, we were coming there, and…

"I found a job in a federal bank, and I worked in the 'plan corps' division, and I don’t know to this day what 'plan corps' means, but when people had a business, and they wanted to do something for the government, they would [calculate] how much…

"Were there dangers? Flying is risky. It’s always risky. We had a saying that…there were old pilots and there were bold pilots, so you have to be careful. They says, there were never any old, bold pilots. If you’re too bold, you never get…

"I just about knew it was gonna happen. I was the right age. I was about…18, 19 at that time, and…I felt I was gonna go. I did learn, however, that if you volunteer, sometime you can pick the service that you want, and when I got to…

"A C-54 came over with President Roosevelt in it. And he came over to do whatever he was gonna do to Patton. And a bunch of generals were waiting there for him. And when Patton came up, they all walked away from him. They wouldn’t have anything to…

"We were picked up the next day by a Greek destroyer. And they took me into Algiers to the hospital. And of course the only thing they know to do in these army hospitals is cut your leg off if something’s wrong with you...They were gonna take my…

"Then they came up with the mission to Sicily. And 36, well more than that, volunteered to fly as copilot with the British into Sicily, which we did. Out of the 36, 16 of us got back. And the reason for that is, the American tow pilots went into the…

"We went to Blida, Algeria, which is 60 kilometers outside of Algiers. And we flew copilot on C-47s while we were there. And we would fly flights from Blida to Casablanca, Blida to Gibraltar, Blida to Cairo. And they were long flights, boring. Then…

"We landed in Fayid, Egypt 45 days, 43 days later. And Fayid, Egypt was where we were stationed. We had nothing to do. They had no gliders. They didn’t know what to do with us, but they wanted us overseas. So we were on a British base, and the…

"We sailed out of Virginia on December the 1st, I believe it was. Norfolk, Virginia on the Mariposa. And that was a beautiful luxury liner. Very fast. 21 knots. And we went over without an escort ‘cause we had submarines all over the place, you…